And maybe a tad under utilized. State Representative Holly Jones, a Republican, represents part of St. Louis County (District 88) in the Missouri House of Representatives. Wasnt that newspaper article about Mr Dover Snr committing suicide? Sat, 21 Jun 2003. View the profiles of people named Holly Jones. Their plight is immense and it can drive them to do unto others as has been done unto them. Emotional imprisonment: the disappearance of Anna and Joy emotionally devastates the Dover and Birch families. Let me know if you have thoughts. Theyll each find salvation because of it. Holly Jones ( Source : wordpress ) After walking a classmate home from school, Holly Jones was kidnapped in her neighborhood. Were purposefully left to figure it out on our own. I dont think theres a definitive answer. He was subsequently killed by the priest, who threw the body into the church's basement. It tells the story about how Kendricks mentor, Top Dawg, robbed a fast food place that Kendricks dad worked at. That theme reinforces itself through motifs such as Darth Vaders black armor, his black cape, and often being shadowed (not to mention the heavy, marching music that feels very imperial and domineering). That the book is a dramatic retelling of Adams cheating on then dumping Gyllenhaal and the pain he dealt with in the aftermath of her hurting him. Hes essentially frozen by cognitive dissonance. Alex reunited with parents??? CSP-SAC is on 882 acres, sharing this property with Folsom State Prison, Folsom Women's Facility, and California Prison Industry Authority. Then after Alex was let go, I think the police chief was hesitant to do anything more. I love it that youre so active in the comments and engaging with readers, it encourages me (and hopefully other readers) to revisit movies with new perspectives in mind and discuss further. In Christianity, water is a major theme, playing a vital role in baptism and the idea of purity. The whole piece around the priest and Hollys husband seems a little loose to me. Political party: Democrat. Hi Lory! And Im pretty sure Holly Joness original kid was named Alex? Explore holly jones's 396 photos on Flickr! Which makes sense to me regarding Jones character. Except, Keller uses wood and his carpentry skills to imprison and torture Alex. This is reinforced later by Joys struggles to explain what had happened to her, only able to look at Keller and say, You were there. Glad you liked the movie! Kidnapping children. Possible, but as a main oremise it seems a bit thin. Alex couldnt do anything to Loki, but when Keller comes barging in and grabs AlexAlex could hurt Keller. Constantly updated. Duct tape: I think were supposed to accept it lol. Hey hey! People are complicated. That says a lot about his mental state, the degree of Stockholm Syndrome hes experiencing. Joy and Anna see the RV while on a walk with their siblings, Ralph and Eliza. Lokis neck is a badgeso along with your hypothesishis god is justice/prison. . And might even negotiate against themself because theyre nervous. What follows are the vital details of Prisonersstudied, analyzed, deconstructed, dissected, unraveled, and presented for your review. How David is very Christian/Jewish/Biblical while Loki is very Norse. The implication being that Loki will be as thorough as before and discover Keller. (But is also comes from the old Scandinavian meaning a ravine, gap, gorge, or a crevasse between cliffs. The French, Celtics, and Gauls all had similar versions of the word (Douvres, Dubrs, and Dubris, respectively) and all meant water as well. I am an admin of this site. Youd worry that hed maybe keep trying to do take kids. Holly reveals that after their son died of cancer, she and her husband began making children disappear to wage a war with God. If you skipped right to his section, welcome! Alex invited them into the van. Martin Luther No text message will ever replace the first kiss. With the motifs in mind, we can finally get to what I think is the most interesting thing about Prisoners. Due to a law passed in 1997, we also confine offenders who have been convicted of a felony in the District of Columbia. Im also a bit confused about it. As for Keller going to prison I mean we would need modern examples of this type of situation. It was a nightmare for the west-end community where Holly had lived and played and gone to school for the whole city, and the whole country. Your movie analysis is very very great. Snakes are the tempter on the Bible? Youre so thorough and the ending is brilliant. Then brought him home and he kept waiting for Alex to come play. Instead, he draws a maze. I think that Jackman (whom I like) was awful, not believable; art of this may be due to the accent, as the Aussie tried to sound like a Joe Sixpack American. These repeating elements, and a few others, add up. How does one start to put into words something thats as cosmically horrific as being stolen and everything that follows? These are all clues Loki missed or were not brought up to him. Check out the rest of our movie guide for Prisoners. And the hidden basement with the hole in the ground. Joy and Anna attempt to escape, but only Joy is successful. Join Facebook to connect with Holly Jones and others you may know. Bob Taylors house has mazes drawn on the walls. And it seems he gets clothes to dress the mannequins. Join our movie club to get similar movie recommendations and stories delivered to your inbox every Friday. Why does a seasoned police officer with no unsolved cases stare at a suspect to the point of spooking him, or sit in a roadway blocking traffic until he draws attention himself? Jones The current owners would would have been creeped out. I like it much better being ambiguous. Its too easy to say Oh, well, they were completely messed up because of their own abductions when they were kids! And as you said yourself the whole plot development depends a bit too much on the fact that neither Alex nor Taylor are willing to talk about their experiences. Devoid of humor, just not especially real. I thought that Holly was the best performance, a bit melodramatic, but very creepy and a smooth transition from Auntie to Killer. That would explain why Alex/Barry and especially Bob Taylor were unable to put together their memories and what it meantmaybe making them feel responsible and guilty. 17:11), 4. Theyre always there, at least in the background. Chris, what do you think or D.s explanation regarding Alex waiting in the RV and crashing into the trees: Alex said that he was waiting for a man to come back and he never did. I think this movie is getting a second life on Netflix, and I just watched it. Which seems wrong. One has the last name Dover. I mean, maybe I did in terms of Keller and Jesus lol. Which led to Kellers survival mindset. Something like that. Does Loki discover Keller in the hole or not? The body had been decomposing for a number of years. Glad that came through for you! July 10, 2021 Investigation Discovery's 'The Lake Erie Murders: Blood in the Water' chronicles the brutal killing of 10-year-old Holly Jones in Ontario, Canada. His rapid eye blinking is almost like a tick that may have varies meaningsone of which is that the man rarely blinks. I love the part where Keller sits next to Alex torture cell and cant finish his prayer at the sentence: and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, he holds back the last part, breaking at as we. As a forensic psychologist I also question the alleged motives of some of Alexs and Taylors actions. The kidnapping stunted both young men. Birch was also interesting as a name because birch trees are thought to be resilient, bending but not breaking. Holly Deane-Johns, 51, was subjected to the awful living conditions while serving time at Lardyao Women's Correctional Institution. And staring the person down is kind of a legitimate tactic. Lets go through the various types that show up. Hi Chris and everyone who has commented. Moreover, The two victims of the kidnappings, Alex and Bob, are both questioned about the location of the girls. He had no criminal record, not even a parking ticket to his name. We know Bob Taylor was abducted by Holly Jones and her husband. I dont know if dental records are in the system. But then midway through the movie, Keller Dover kidnaps Alex Jones and keeps Alex prisoner. To play Holly Jones,Melissa Leowore a grey wig and a foam rubber posterior prepared by Costume DesignerRene Aprilin order to "ground" her character. All he would have been able to see is Holly crouching over the girl. Hundreds of Oklahoma inmates left prison Monday before their original sentences were over. Similar to how Fight Club is powerful because its not really about Edward Nortons character but rather a deconstruction of individuality in a consumer-driven culture. Prisoners is about spirituality and the complicated nature we have with spirituality. Now if Nocturnal Animals didnt have flashbacks, if we only saw Adams read this book and get emotional but otherwise live her life normallythat wouldnt work. Anyway just brilliant write up. She has no problem with killing or torturing, even children as per her M.O., and seems to embrace this side of her. Id need to double check that but the movie is off streaming. Theres a reason that scriptwriter Aaron Guzikowski and director Denis Villeneuve included the scene of Alex yanking the dog off the ground by the leash to watch it choke and kick. Then, they became serial child murderers intent to "wage a war with God" by turning the parents of their victims into grief-stricken demons. Largest Database of Taylor County Mugshots. And bipartisan lawmakers couldn't be happier. Especially Joys mother. Look Up An Inmate Jones County NC Jail. She was murdered by Michael Briere who plead guilty to first degree murder and got life in prison with no parole for 25years. After this all goes down a lot of parents get closure, the two families go home and deal with court stuff, but this family has a living ghost that haunts them 24/7. It is of course not completely impossible because Holly could have cleaned the van thoroughly. The fact that our two most faithful characters end the movie together, each trusting in their faith, is pretty beautiful. I want to watch the film again. This means the Dovers and Birches have to place their faith ina character named after a Norse God. No story in-roads are necessary because the editing/plot sequencing makes obvious the parallels between the book and the relationship. Really appreciate the comment. 26 Jan 2023 14:55:21 Kind of like when he lifts the dog. It is an experience that invites us to peel off the layers and try to make meaning from its moving images. One question that bugs me if Alex took the 2 girls in the RV, how comes the forensic team didnt find any trace of them? When Keller left the hospital, he went to Hollys house. Keller doesnt get the answer he seeks from all the torture HE did, but by Joys miraculous escape and him making the connection that she saw him at some point. Compare that to Luke, when Luke finally becomes a Jedi, wearing a white outfit (and having more hopeful and exciting music). Into the frame comes the barrel of a shotgun. 1409 Greenbrier Street Charleston, WV 25311 (304) 558-2036 Contact Us | Site Map | Staff Directory Psychological imprisonment: Alex and Bob Taylor both suffer from the trauma of their kidnapping. This is due to the detective leading the case, Detective Loki, finding what he believes to be evidence in Bob's house, finding blood-stained cloths, making it appear that he'd murdered the girls. Its like the negotiating tactic of not saying anything. Instead, it gives you a pile of puzzle pieces. I assumed that it was Bob and he was referring to when he was captured by the police in the van at the rest stop. I just finished watching the movie and was looking for an explanation, and this is just amazing, thank you for your analysis and thanks for all the comments, what an incredible movie. Thats Bob Taylor, one of the many children Holly and her husband had abducted. I could go to China and be fine, obviously . Absolutely brilliant analysis, I wouldnt ne surprised if it is the best lne there is. I have a question about the scene where Joy said: that Keller was there too. But on the way back they saw the van and decided to play on it since their older siblings werent there to tell them no. Prisoners puts that concept onto how people struggle to work through and escape from their traumas. But the same casual way he decided to choke the dog, he probably decided to bring the girls back to Holly. I could see something like him initially being reunited but then the DA drawing up charges later. and feels all is well in my life. I think the layman tends to miss out on the motifs but grasps the plot. Blowing a whistle in order to be heard, and thus saved from dying in the hole, is the equivalent of being saved by the bell from being buried alive. Its almost as though his body forces him tobut during the chase to save Annas life, Loki was driving blind. It was probably a promotional piece to go with the book because it doesnt look homemade. If Keller could figure it out, it was just a matter of time before Loki did too. We expect psychos to have weird obsessions like mazes. The pair began kidnapping children to turn the parents into 'demons' as they called it, forcing them to lose their mind and faith like they did. Its just too confusing and I skipped some of the violent parts. The idea of faith comes up again and again. What a coincidence that Joys last name is Birch (a very common tree in America). Watching the movie for the first time, I noticed that Loki was also non-communicative at times, especially around the parents. Have seen the movie three times and never put that together. And now he kind of re-creates this moment. In Pennsylvania, Keller Dover, his wife Grace, son Ralph, and daughter Anna celebrate Thanksgiving with their friends Franklin and Nancy Birch, and their dau. That way people without a doubt understood the point was for the album to have a happy ending one way and a tragic ending the other way. Loved the movie and this thread, and its not like me to concentrate for two hours on a film. Bob Taylor hears about the girls gone missing and plays kidnapper by doing weird stuff like showing up at the vigil and stealing clothes and burying mannequins in his yard (. Official Sites Evil-doer I think we see 4-5 then the father. When I say faith in the police, keep in mind that Loki is the detective. Everyone describes Alex as pretty internal and passive, but I wonder if (in his own traumatized and child-like way) he is trying to break out of the maze! Ive never read such a detailed and thorough review of a movie (well aside from LOTR-but that has a whole cult following). Also could represent David and Goliath and figuring out the maze was a Goliath task. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. If that is what youre thinking, high-five! As it starts to get into the idea of how properly is he executing his faith? Dover seemed like a portmanteau of dove (peace) and lover. They were scared enough to shut down and didnt move much/touch much until Alex dropped them off. His profession being the same as that of Jesus, and the movie opening with Kellers devout prayer, also creates the false sense that Keller will be the good in the film. Other than that, enjoy Villains Wiki!!! So he definitely has a cruel streak. To talk about Prisoners, it helps if we un-maze the story by laying out its key events in chronological order. And I also found this thread by Chris by chance. Keller soon realizes that Holly was the real kidnapper. Otherwise, you should close this page and view another page. Hey Aggie! There are SO many other examples of this in the film! The van is clean, but the forensic guy does say that if there was a struggle they would have found some fibers. The pretentious stuff gets at the construction of the story. Loki goes to the Jones's house to tell her that her nephew has been found. Which creates that idea of the loop. The other couple was fine, both solid performances. Plus, excellent point that they wouldnt just jump to Oh! There are two more layers that make Prisoners an even deeper kind of cinematic dive. Its no longer Alex being the byproduct of Holly and her husband, or being cruel just to be cruel. I have kids and if they were ever kidnapped I would pick them being killed than for them to do what Alex did. So you imagine theyd be wearing gloves when they went out again. Which is why Keller knows to go back there, because its the only place hes been that Joy could have possibly been. I dont think I said that the Birchs house is Alexs old house. Derrick Chambers, Superintendent. director of photography (as Roger A. Deakins) Film Editing by Casting By So yea great movie that kind of blew the ending which I mean it doesnt mean much and maybe it isnt meant to be definitive. The girls went to Annas home to find her whistle. Denis Villeneuve's "Prisoners" does not go that route. confused just by this bit. Grace originated, as a word, in France in the 1200s and soon after had a firm association with Christianity and the idea of virtue and receiving the favor of God. Someone who seems like the kidnapper but isnt the killer broke into both our homes and took our kids clothes. Especially after Loki pretty much blew off Graces report about someone coming into their house. Will Franklin and his wife have to testify against Keller for amnesty, because they were part of Alexs torture too. So are such small things as duct tape over someones mouth. What makes Loki go there specifically? So the beginning of Prisoners gets at themes of nature, religion, and violence. And part of Taylors thing is recreating the maze. We see how he buries the mannequin in his yard. Motifs are repeating elements in a movie, which can be anything, from physical objects, to dialogue, to shots, to music, to concepts. Its really just Loki and Keller who keep their faith. Alex knows where the children are, but if he wants his Aunt in jail, and therefore stopped for good, he cant tellso its complicated. I actually know the answer to this! Why does Alex say I waited but he never came? Awesome article Chris and I love that youre still replying to people after all this time! Grace, Annas mother, goes from sad denial of reality to drugging herself into oblivion. We werent given any other reason for Dover Snrs death, were we? Also known as: infinity. Its an unsolvable puzzle. We then get the final showdown that involves Kellers imprisonment and Lokis heroics. And seems to have no one to talk to about what happened. How could the FBI agent wrote a book about the murderer and even have a maze picture in it if: a. no children was ever found (alive or not); b. the murderer was never found. None of us really wanted to do that version, but we wanted to make sure we had it in case once the film was put together it seemed like it really needed it. Wow, that was so helpful. A symbol that we can hear each other if we listen from inside. The soul. Biography Once a loving and religious woman, both Holly and her husband's minds soon took a twisted turn when their son died of cancer. Villeneueve even discussed trees in an interview with Indiewire. Great minds. Regarding the above comments, I recall the detectives discussing the results of forensics on the body in the priests hole. You did an amazing job! Right now, still leaning to it being Hollys deceased kid. Alex suffered so hes kind of relishing in causing someone else to hurt. What if deep down he DOES want her to go to jail! I am bothered by the fact that there were no traces at all of the two girls found in the camper van, although they have been abducted in that van! There is a scene at the end of the film when Loki saves the little girl and the culprit shoots him, injuring him, then his blood flow into his eye. Obsessively drawing mazes on the walls because he cant stop reading an FBI agents book about the mysterious child abductor, known as the Invisible Man, who was never caught (and who was actually Holly and her husband). Ty Chris. Why didnt Alex confess to the police or Keller? When he discovers the door to the basement behind the fridge, there is no staircase (the hole under the car also has no ladder) yet he quickly drops down to investigate and finds the body, 3. Seem to climb to make headway and then slide down again but eventually someone wins the game each time played unless game abandoned. Hardcover. Keller having Alex captive. Huntley, a former school caretaker killed schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman in 2002 after they went missing from a family BBQ. The seemingly simple progress of the story is an artistic choice to create the sense of an itch you cant quite scratch, that theres more going on than you may have realized. Holly and her husband could have found comfort in one anotherinstead their crusade ends up resulting in both of their deaths. Really insightful. Lokis fellow officer brought it up that the Invisible Man used an LSD/ketamine cocktail on the victims, as described by that book. Doesnt know what happened to him. Just my two cents. With his English language debut, Villeneuve created a story layered with suspense, thrill, and excitement. Loki didnt find Keller torturing Alex. They invoke Gods name. In this film, no character will ever be the same. Great analysis!! Makes sense that he would have gotten this name from Holly and her husband. Theres something being said in this collision between civilization and nature, Christianity and the Old Gods.. When I watched I assumed that its contents were responsible for the heavy cognitive impairment that resulted in the state of the children upon their recovery at the hospital in addition to the mental trauma they suffered, and in the older victims contributed to a lifetime effect of mental vacancy and unresponsiveness seen in Alex. This would explain why Alex was not able to drive the van. Its complicated and not effective. AuntMrs. So many twists and turns. We (and Keller) struggle to understand whats going through Alexs mind. Keller would definitely not have charges pressed. These factors lead me to believe that the two girls, especially Anna, are potential abusers-to-be, because of their limited speech, the abuse they suffered, and the nature of inevitable violence in the cyclical maze, where abuse encourages more abuse. Thanks, Warren! Nothing more than chilling fragments. Who knows! Mark just pointed that out in another comment! You know, a room thats underground. I would love to hear your take on the current covid crisis and response. But Anna still clings to her whistlea symbol of her fathers protection because I believe that he is still the hero in her life. Even though Taylor lives somewhere else, it seems all he thinks about is Holly and her husband. Its almost like the style and story carry the movie and the cast is just kind of there. Did anyone watch the movie? Kill Loki and any other interfering witnesses (failed). Because of that, theyve tortured other families to cause a similar crisis of faith and turn more people against God. Its Grace who, in the wake of her daughter being stolen, completely falls apart. And how do we make sense of the miracles in our lives? Midway through Prisoners were introduced to the concept of the maze. But its also a clue from the filmmaker to treat the movie as a maze. Cornton Vale I believe. and if so, I guess its just coincidence that Hollys husband had a maze around his neck and that they left mazes in the locked room? I've been taking it for four or five years. I prefer to believe Keller was found by Loki, his boss said he never lost a case. Keller keeps Alex in a box thats similar to a confessional box. Kidnapping Serial Killer. Hey! Diego. Avatar is kind of similar. The simplest answer is just Theyre in shock and that makes memory difficult. Because its actually something the girls had, how else would it get there? 'Prisoners' is an engrossing crime thriller directed by Denis Villeneuve. Thats cool, thats interesting. The standard Hollywood police chief who constantly undermines the investigation is so completely overused. Seems like something he would do in private. Suspect Arrested in Holly Jones Murder. The address where Alex parked the RV was his old house. When I think of mazes, I think of complications. The facility was expanded in 1996 and now includes 18 . Facebook gives people the power to. Are they divine or circumstantial? By visiting his former home, he must remember a time before he was entrapped! Holly Jones But the worst plot hole is that nobody figured out that the clothes which were found in Taylors possession were not worn by the girls at the time of their abduction. Or the DA who brought the charges would lose their next election lol. How did Loki know she found her whistle? Lokis name means: prison, to break, to end, fire, which is also an interesting connection with he movie. This is purposefully meta, as midway through the film the motif of the maze is introduced. Or Fight Club deals with the mind and the opening credits occur while the camera travels through the main characters brain and out a poor of their forehead. Just some assumptions, like Kellers dad saw what happened to his co-worker and decided to become over protective of Keller. But he is stuck in that child-like mentality and he did know what was going to happen to those kids, like he did with so many others. That unmerited favor that we cannot predict or control. Which seems like a weird call lol. Spiritual imprisonment: Holly and her husband found it impossible to move beyond their belief God had wronged them. Theyre prisoners, right? So while Grace may seem like a simple name, its not. And Loki literally arresting people with the intent of sending them to prison. Ill watch again with a fresh mind. Its like Hollywood thinks they have conditioned us to just accept anything and call it clever. Happy to hear that Ayman! When hes in police custody, the police demand to know where the abducted girls are and Taylor spends 3 hours drawing a maze to show them. A small foreshadowing detail I noticed is when Alex signs his name to be released from the police, its revealed that his middle name is Winterman which is a reference to a book by the same name by Alex Walters about a serial killer that targets children. Holly Marie is alive and well and living in Oklahoma, after a family adopted her as a baby. Now these parents have a son that kidnaps/molests/drugs/kills little kids. I believe they say that Alex often drove the van and looked at his old house? He always closes a case and he said he would find Keller, 2. When someone goes missing the police investigators always try to establish very carefully how the missing person was dressed! one question. But sometime during Kellers torture of Alex, the dynamic changes. Loki the trickster would be best able to figure out a maze (tricks) that bad people do/commit. If you are going to edit a lot, then make yourself a user and login. We see many crosses. Release Dates Alias To the point where it becomes undeniable that one theme of Us is the cultural state of America. How do we have faith when bad things happen? In addition to her legislative duties, Jones works as the Business Manager for Renz Law LLC. Holly Jones disappeared from her west-end Toronto neighbourhood in 2003, raped and murdered by Michael Briere. But I can see that the parents were in so much shock that they wouldnt remember what the girls were wearing when they were taken.